Do you think di genius effectiveness has decline since Kartel's departure from Bigship
DUGGYFRESH said
20:00 11/25 2010
FIRE LYNKZ (Mzja Dj) wrote:
WELL FROM MY PERSPECTIVE RIDDIMS ON A HOLE NOW IN TERMS OF CREATIVITY AND SOUND AS DRAMATICALLY DECREASED. BUT PERTAINING TO THE QUESTION ASKED I WOULD SAY THAT IT AS BEEN FLUCTUATING !!!
TELL DI TRUTH MAN....NOTHING NAH GWAAN FI STEPHEN AGAIN FROM DAT
LYNKZ™ said
20:06 11/25 2010
WHAT TRUTH DUGGY ? THATS JUST MY OPINION STILL .
frass edz said
20:08 11/25 2010
sinece di genius a n the teacha kick off steven thing kinda decline u zeet. that my point of view stiil
kfc667 said
20:09 11/25 2010
LMFAO...every riddim stephen build without voicing vybz kartel sound like %&%*...and d riddims wha stephen build fi chrome dat feature kartel sell awfffffffff, no lie
actually for some reason if ah riddim was built by stephen & it dont feature kartel, i dont/barely play it. not cause of spite/hate, cause truely kartel actually makes a riddim sound betta wit his vibes on it
funny ting is dat im not even ah big kartel fan
stephen grow up & kartel stop yuh F***ry.....stop gangsta producers for royalties/copyrights of yuh songs when voiced on riddims. Bigship/Adidjaheim Records cant work lmfaooo. low d yute kartel, stop try program d man tingz dem lol
yea so stephen i kno u pree off d blogs/forum tings dem...yuh riddims nah last long without ah kartel on it, ah lie? lolol, besides if it get play only 3 tracks gettin juggle (outside jamaica)
Mediazone Badman said
20:09 11/25 2010
+0p$h0++@ wrote:
Mediazone Badman wrote:
+0p$h0++@ wrote:
and u my friend are just another cheerleader. success doesnt equal in creativity and vice versa. ppl like rihanna or lady gaga are selling millions without being creative. as for busy: im not saying he is the best, cuz thats a subjective opinion. but referring to style, rhymes, flow and pattern he IS more creative and versatile than kartel AT THE MOMENT. listen opera and tell me when last kartel did a tune like that. or listen to busy latino. or gal bounce. kartel probably could stand up to that easily but still he prefers making singsang tunes for teenage girls. with great success and hype indeed, but that wasnt the question.
Your missing my point entirely. What other Dancehall artist do you know is more creative, innovative and influence in Dancehall than Kartel? Name at least one. And yes you're right. You don't have to be creative to be successful in Dancehall. All you need is hype, fruity loops and stolen Timberland beats to be big as Stephen. Year and Busy is much, much more versitile than Kartel... with other peoples songs, not his.
influential goes to kartel. creative and innovative to busy. btw i never said doing cover versions would be a bad thing, thats for sure an important part of reggae music. but the busy tunes i named are not cover versions.
You kidding me? Lately I don't know the difference between Elephant man and Busy Signal. With Busy the ORIGINALITY isn't there anymore. All of Busy signals hits are big, big cheap rip offs from old hits songs and/ lyrics.... Yes Kartel is repetitive, is ugly, is evil, is crazy, is bleaching, is a pain in the butt to dancehall fans. But guess what???? He's still here, making hit's, always changing he's own UNIQUE STYLE and still out classes all other DJ's whether you like it or not. And who said that I'm a fan of Kartel? It's just basic common sense, which is uncommonly rear for some people here.
-- Edited by Mediazone Badman on Thursday 25th of November 2010 08:15:04 PM
Cuz1010 said
20:12 11/25 2010
No i don't think is effectiveness has decrease he is still the No 1 producer in JA and the most consistent, and still makes the best riddim
mz más quería veterano said
20:14 11/25 2010
ghettoforce wrote:
+0p$h0++@ wrote:
ghettoforce wrote:you need to become more creative to keep people amazed and that is what kartel is doing
"kartel" and "creative" would have gone well in one sentence up to 2k6, but NOT NOW.
right now he is repetitive like never before, both style and topics.
dat mean say "dancehall" is repetitive like never before........ Mi sing bout Clarks, Dem ah sing bout Crep, Dem ah sing bout Kickers Mi sing bout Straight Jeans & White Tees Dem ah sing bout Slippers If mi sing bout head dem ah sing bout flitta Mi sing bout comb dem ah sing bout scissors And sing bout plait up & shades & Addi-das
Mediazone Badman said
20:18 11/25 2010
kfc667 wrote:
LMFAO...every riddim stephen build without voicing vybz kartel sound like %&%*...and d riddims wha stephen build fi chrome dat feature kartel sell awfffffffff, no lie
actually for some reason if ah riddim was built by stephen & it dont feature kartel, i dont/barely play it. not cause of spite/hate, cause truely kartel actually makes a riddim sound betta wit his vibes on it
funny ting is dat im not even ah big kartel fan
stephen grow up & kartel stop yuh F***ry.....stop gangsta producers for royalties/copyrights of yuh songs when voiced on riddims. Bigship/Adidjaheim Records cant work lmfaooo. low d yute kartel, stop try program d man tingz dem lol
yea so stephen i kno u pree off d blogs/forum tings dem...yuh riddims nah last long without ah kartel on it, ah lie? lolol, besides if it get play only 3 tracks gettin juggle (outside jamaica)
Plain and simple. I don't know why some of you people are so defensive in the matter. First non bias answer for the year.
+0p$h0++@ said
20:30 11/25 2010
Mediazone Badman wrote:
You kidding me? Lately I don't know the difference between Elephant man and Busy Signal.
if u cant hear the difference between these two, u shouldnt argue about music at all.
With Busy the ORIGINALITY isn't there anymore. All of Busy signals hits are big, big cheap rip offs from old hits songs and/ lyrics....
i wasnt talking about his hits or whatever u call his hits, but about specific tunes, that clarify whats my understanding of creativity and versatility. busy made a couple of cover tunes, when he parted from vp so whats the big deal?
Yes Kartel is repetitive, is ugly, is evil, is crazy, is bleaching, is a pain in the butt to dancehall fans.
repetitive...right. the rest... i dont care. i passed that age, when i searched for personal heroes.
But guess what???? He's still here, making hit's,
right
always changing he's own UNIQUE STYLE
last time he changed his style was in 2007 when he practically buried kartel the deejay and created kartel the singjay.
and still out classes all other DJ's whether you like it or not.
referring to what? success? yes! hype? yes! lyrical, topical and stylistic versatility? no!
And who said that I'm a fan of Kartel?
ur attitude makes that pretty clear.
It's just basic common sense,
common sense would be to make an objective judgement. for example: i personally like many of mavado's tunes, but i still admit that he is repetitive and unoriginal just like kartel or most of the others.
which is uncommonly rear for some people here.
u shure thats what u wanted to type?
nyron dj urban said
20:54 11/25 2010
well datboy and gamepun u both ave a point ok,u guyz knw ur music dats gud,dat question yo so many answers to dat trust mi,i dnt knw if is true him turn artiste now but i cant say him still ave a ting,whether kartel is there are not,zeen!!!!
ITS JUST MUSIC AND A JUST MUSIC MI SEH!!!!!!!
IT CANT GET BORED TO HIM>>I DONT THINK SO.........
Mafo said
21:01 11/25 2010
simple gayza fan dem will always say yes cuh dem wah credit the worst artist in dancehall history as a king....genius never drop cuz of kartel music....u can also say kartel chune get lamer since him tap voice fi genius....
WHICH KARTEL SONGS RIGHT NOW BETTER THAN D CHUNE HIM VOICE FI GENIUS?? GENIUS MAKE KARTEL...WITHOUT DEM RIDDIM DEM AND D LIKKLE WAR WID VADO KARTEL WOULDA DIE OUT CUH STREETSIDE HIM USE TO SING WID HIM GAZA FUQERY GUH LEARN SUPM
nyron dj urban said
21:06 11/25 2010
Mafia u think u easy...........memba seh a music enuh an is chrome mek him on dem........doh......awoah
djdaveja said
21:15 11/25 2010
HIM RIDDIM DEM STILL SOUND GOOD BUT FI REAL BUT DEM NAH GET THE FOWARD LIKE DEM USE TO GET LIKE WHEN ADDI USE TO VOICE FI HIM STILL PLAIN AND STRAIGHT
bLaCkBeatZ said
21:29 11/25 2010
YES
dark_law said
02:42 11/26 2010
Gamepun (Snr.Mod) wrote:
datboy_154 wrote:
Actually your one of the few pple on zone that wen u comment, a sensible discussion can come out of it and we are all biased in one way or another.
but the reason y i ask this question is because di genius has the winnings riddim and chrome has the dancehall EFX coming out soon and i can almost guarantee that chrome's riddim ganna get the most attention and i highly doubt cause he plays on the radio.
I remember two years ago when Stephen and that hype usually sounds it just because its produced by the di genius
but i gurantee that genius a guh mek chrome riddim......so who wins at the end of the day?.......genius
sooo genious wud sacrifice his image for money?
mz más quería veterano said
06:17 11/26 2010
djdaveja wrote:
HIM RIDDIM DEM STILL SOUND GOOD BUT FI REAL BUT DEM NAH GET THE FOWARD LIKE DEM USE TO GET LIKE WHEN ADDI USE TO VOICE FI HIM STILL PLAIN AND STRAIGHT
the riddim dem are good but just dont have the hype or engery like before when Kartel was on them
it's the same ting with Desca but like some one said Genius still the top produce yr in & yr out but him time so up if russian or Don start get the same artsit dem voice there Camp like Genius , Big ship will sink faster
I personal think most DJ's/artist respect BIg Ship Camp that why dem doing so Good
TOMMY45 said
07:10 11/26 2010
KEY WORD EFFECTIVENESS
AND DECLINE ...... MINOR KEY WORD KARTEL
HELL BLUDCLAAAT NOO UNLESS U NUH KNOW WAT EFFECTIVE MEAN
TOMMY45 said
07:17 11/26 2010
Cuz1010 wrote:
No i don't think is effectiveness has decrease he is still the No 1 producer in JA and the most consistent, and still makes the best riddim
WELL SAID .. READ QUESTION N ANSWER WELLL SOME PPL A ANSWER WAH NUH ASK..... BUT MI NUH SURE BOUT NO 1 PRODUCER IN JA N BEST RIDDIM STILL LOL
-- Edited by TOMMY45 on Friday 26th of November 2010 07:18:50 AM
Gamepun said
07:22 11/26 2010
dark_law wrote:
Gamepun (Snr.Mod) wrote:
datboy_154 wrote:
Actually your one of the few pple on zone that wen u comment, a sensible discussion can come out of it and we are all biased in one way or another.
but the reason y i ask this question is because di genius has the winnings riddim and chrome has the dancehall EFX coming out soon and i can almost guarantee that chrome's riddim ganna get the most attention and i highly doubt cause he plays on the radio.
I remember two years ago when Stephen and that hype usually sounds it just because its produced by the di genius
but i gurantee that genius a guh mek chrome riddim......so who wins at the end of the day?.......genius
sooo genious wud sacrifice his image for money?
he still maintains his image wheter or not the riddim shot....he makes his own riddims...so what he gon do? pay him self? when ele or vado voice singles on his riddim..they have to pay him for that...so songs like nine live...vado pays him to build the riddim...so money stilll haffi mek..thats why the singles stand out more than the riddim...thats the money shot
dark_law said
13:52 11/26 2010
Gamepun (Snr.Mod) wrote:
dark_law wrote:
Gamepun (Snr.Mod) wrote:
datboy_154 wrote:
Actually your one of the few pple on zone that wen u comment, a sensible discussion can come out of it and we are all biased in one way or another.
but the reason y i ask this question is because di genius has the winnings riddim and chrome has the dancehall EFX coming out soon and i can almost guarantee that chrome's riddim ganna get the most attention and i highly doubt cause he plays on the radio.
I remember two years ago when Stephen and that hype usually sounds it just because its produced by the di genius
but i gurantee that genius a guh mek chrome riddim......so who wins at the end of the day?.......genius
sooo genious wud sacrifice his image for money?
he still maintains his image wheter or not the riddim shot....he makes his own riddims...so what he gon do? pay him self? when ele or vado voice singles on his riddim..they have to pay him for that...so songs like nine live...vado pays him to build the riddim...so money stilll haffi mek..thats why the singles stand out more than the riddim...thats the money shot
mi get wah u a seh but the ignorant part of the dancehall fanbase(most of it) wont see it like that--even if steven is still as good they will make it look differently
TELL DI TRUTH MAN....NOTHING NAH GWAAN FI STEPHEN AGAIN FROM DAT
You kidding me? Lately I don't know the difference between Elephant man and Busy Signal. With Busy the ORIGINALITY isn't there anymore. All of Busy signals hits are big, big cheap rip offs from old hits songs and/ lyrics.... Yes Kartel is repetitive, is ugly, is evil, is crazy, is bleaching, is a pain in the butt to dancehall fans. But guess what???? He's still here, making hit's, always changing he's own UNIQUE STYLE and still out classes all other DJ's whether you like it or not. And who said that I'm a fan of Kartel? It's just basic common sense, which is uncommonly rear for some people here.
-- Edited by Mediazone Badman on Thursday 25th of November 2010 08:15:04 PM
it's the same ting with Desca but like some one said Genius still the top produce yr in & yr out but him time so up if russian or Don start get the same artsit dem voice there Camp like Genius , Big ship will sink faster
I personal think most DJ's/artist respect BIg Ship Camp that why dem doing so Good
WELL SAID .. READ QUESTION N ANSWER WELLL
SOME PPL A ANSWER WAH NUH ASK..... BUT MI NUH SURE BOUT NO 1 PRODUCER IN JA N BEST RIDDIM STILL LOL
-- Edited by TOMMY45 on Friday 26th of November 2010 07:18:50 AM
he still maintains his image wheter or not the riddim shot....he makes his own riddims...so what he gon do? pay him self?
when ele or vado voice singles on his riddim..they have to pay him for that...so songs like nine live...vado pays him to build the riddim...so money stilll haffi mek..thats why the singles stand out more than the riddim...thats the money shot